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	Although I would really like that idea - which I think views the noise aspect as more of a threshold than a window with both sides to be accounted for (but is not really "embracing" noise like amplification by positive feedback would) - discussions right now are focused more on a window. So, again, i'm working on figuring out what I could do to rule out all cells that are noisily above a desired output, and noisily below a desired output.		Although I would really like that idea - which I think views the noise aspect as more of a threshold than a window with both sides to be accounted for (but is not really "embracing" noise like amplification by positive feedback would) - discussions right now are focused more on a window. So, again, i'm working on figuring out what I could do to rule out all cells that are noisily above a desired output, and noisily below a desired output.
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		+	'''7 April 2010'''
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		+	I had a meeting with Drs. Campbell and Heyer to because I'm having some difficulty sorting out the issues with the noise tuner and figuring out how to effectively communicate and illustrate it in a paper. We covered two main issues:
		+	# How do you control when the cells will die? If there's a lower threshold, how do you not kill all cells before they build up output above that threshold? How do you know all cells won't die if they fall out of the thresholds once (or do you want this)?
		+	# What system would be better than using Lux - as a quorum sensing mechanism it would cause a population response instead of single cell survival/death. What if the existing system has LuxR?
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		+	Things to discuss in paper:
		+	# Review of noise
		+	# Design
		+	# Communication issues with design
		+	# Death issues with design
		+	# Hin/hix?
		+	# Promoter activation
		+	# Cre/lox

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	I'm still kind of toying with an idea similar to the Isaacs paper sort of model - of thinking of a protein whose activity or expression can be destabilized/driven by a certain noise threshold (so it can tolerate a certain noise window) and it can also be destabilized by some other controllable factor, like heat or some concentration of a substrate that could be added to media in order to minimize the tolerable noise threshold. This protein is responsible for starting a positive feedback loop that either kills the cell or lets it live (perhaps by not starting the positive feedback loop).		I'm still kind of toying with an idea similar to the Isaacs paper sort of model - of thinking of a protein whose activity or expression can be destabilized/driven by a certain noise threshold (so it can tolerate a certain noise window) and it can also be destabilized by some other controllable factor, like heat or some concentration of a substrate that could be added to media in order to minimize the tolerable noise threshold. This protein is responsible for starting a positive feedback loop that either kills the cell or lets it live (perhaps by not starting the positive feedback loop).

−	Although I would really like that idea - which I think views the noise aspect as more of a threshold than a window with both sides to be accounted for - discussions right now are focused more on a window. So, again, i'm working on figuring out what I could do to rule out all cells that are noisily above a desired output, and noisily below a desired output.	+	Although I would really like that idea - which I think views the noise aspect as more of a threshold than a window with both sides to be accounted for (but is not really "embracing" noise like amplification by positive feedback would) - discussions right now are focused more on a window. So, again, i'm working on figuring out what I could do to rule out all cells that are noisily above a desired output, and noisily below a desired output.

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	In lab meeting the point was raised that if I'm using a positive feedback loop to cause a bistable distribution, the effect can't be so extreme that there are no intermediates that survive the positive feedback loop. For that, I thought perhaps putting some repressor somewhere into the design might be effective.		In lab meeting the point was raised that if I'm using a positive feedback loop to cause a bistable distribution, the effect can't be so extreme that there are no intermediates that survive the positive feedback loop. For that, I thought perhaps putting some repressor somewhere into the design might be effective.

−	I still have to have a meeting with Dr. Heyer.	+	I still have to have a meeting with Dr. Heyer. I am working on figuring out what I would want to use to make the two thresholds for the noise window.
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		+	I'm still kind of toying with an idea similar to the Isaacs paper sort of model - of thinking of a protein whose activity or expression can be destabilized/driven by a certain noise threshold (so it can tolerate a certain noise window) and it can also be destabilized by some other controllable factor, like heat or some concentration of a substrate that could be added to media in order to minimize the tolerable noise threshold. This protein is responsible for starting a positive feedback loop that either kills the cell or lets it live (perhaps by not starting the positive feedback loop).
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		+	Although I would really like that idea - which I think views the noise aspect as more of a threshold than a window with both sides to be accounted for - discussions right now are focused more on a window. So, again, i'm working on figuring out what I could do to rule out all cells that are noisily above a desired output, and noisily below a desired output.

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	She also noted that this type of device is called a band-pass filter, used a lot in optics. So that might be a useful search term.		She also noted that this type of device is called a band-pass filter, used a lot in optics. So that might be a useful search term.
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		+	'''17 March 2010'''
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		+	This past week, I searched for papers about band-pass filters and I found two articles by Sohka et al (2009) detailing how they constructed a tunable bacterial band-pass filter. I read through the papers with Dr. Campbell, and we decided that these do not impede on my project idea, but do provide validation for the importance of this project, and leave room for improvement.
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		+	One thing from the Sohka et al paper(s) is that their tolerable window size does not change, but can slide, so different abundances of enzyme are output from the system.
		+	Dr. Campbell suggested that perhaps one way to make a window that slides with my project would be varying the plasmid copy number.
		+	In lab meeting the point was raised that if I'm using a positive feedback loop to cause a bistable distribution, the effect can't be so extreme that there are no intermediates that survive the positive feedback loop. For that, I thought perhaps putting some repressor somewhere into the design might be effective.
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		+	I still have to have a meeting with Dr. Heyer.

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	I'll work first with the abstractions of the concept, maybe figure out how to simulate it, and then figure out the actual biological parts that would help with constructing it.		I'll work first with the abstractions of the concept, maybe figure out how to simulate it, and then figure out the actual biological parts that would help with constructing it.
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		+	During lab meeting, Dr. Heyer raised the question whether cells that express outside of the noise window would at a later time point perhaps fall back into the window, or is that expression state stable. Positive feedback bimodal distribution, from what I've read sounds like it is bistable, but perhaps that depends on the protein being expressed - if it were something like Tet that affected livelihood, it may be different. Should look into it.
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		+	She also noted that this type of device is called a band-pass filter, used a lot in optics. So that might be a useful search term.

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 Why make something noisy?
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 I still like the oscillatory idea - noise driving oscillation --> What is oscillation good for?
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 I read the aging articles this week, and I thought particularly the Nystrom review was helpful/ thought-provoking. I thought perhaps it would be interesting and useful to create a system that could be applied to a number of different synthetic devices in order to control the noise threshold, and any cells running the device outside of that noise threshold would die, based on the error catastrophe theory.
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 One of the oscillatory system articles I read mentioned superconducting junctions - which on the surface sounds interesting and perhaps something cells could do. I'll look into it.
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 I read more about the error catastrophe theory and ppGpp this week. (p)ppGpp is very important to the cell, in many species - which means it can be very useful, or very detrimental to mess around with and very tightly regulated, which to me does not lend itself nicely to a noise study. It's still classified as a potential useful part on the chalkboard page.
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 Could we do something that involves elongation, the separation of some plasmid & transcription factor randomly into dividing cells - those that have both... Or conjugation - when cells elongate or move around and make contact with another cell something happens...
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 Discussed the elongation papers (Goksor, Sturgeon, Gustaffsson) and Danchin. Dr. Campbell suggested it may be best at this point to pick one or two topics to hone in on and try to formulate a proposal about it for after spring break. I'll work on the noise threshold device and elongation for my proposals.
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 I finished a proposal for the noise tuner device, and I started the introduction of an elongation proposal outline, but didn't get very far; I'm still not sure (and neither is Dr. C) what to do with noise and elongation. I did note an idea about making chains that act as bacterial nerves and send an impulse down the chain of connected cells. That does not have a strong noise component, although it would be very fun to do.

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	I finished a proposal for the noise tuner device, and I started the introduction of an elongation proposal outline, but didn't get very far; I'm still not sure (and neither is Dr. C) what to do with noise and elongation. I did note an idea about making chains that act as bacterial nerves and send an impulse down the chain of connected cells. That does not have a strong noise component, although it would be very fun to do.		I finished a proposal for the noise tuner device, and I started the introduction of an elongation proposal outline, but didn't get very far; I'm still not sure (and neither is Dr. C) what to do with noise and elongation. I did note an idea about making chains that act as bacterial nerves and send an impulse down the chain of connected cells. That does not have a strong noise component, although it would be very fun to do.
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		+	* [http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/genomics/2009/Ho_Shing/Articles/Noise_Tuner_Proposal.pdf Noise Tuner Proposal]
		+	* [http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/genomics/2009/Ho_Shing/Articles/Elongation_Draft_Ideas.pdf Elongation Draft Ideas]
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		+	Dr. Campbell liked the versatility of the design, that it could utilize Lux, which is used in so many synthetic systems that a noise tuner could perhaps be relatively easily added into previous and future devices. He did have some ideas:
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		+	* Instead of tuning the system to some specific degree (as tuning the destabilization of the repressor protein in Isaacs paper), it would still be a good innovation to design and construct a noise tuner(s) that tolerates a specific non-tunable window of noise, have perhaps three different window options
		+	* Perhpas could utilize a longer cascade idea (because noise increases in longer cascades) and the end of the noisy activation cascade could be a repressor for Tet, if there's a certain threshold of noise to start the cascade, it'll be really noisy by the time it gets to managing Tet
		+	* "Tet" could be a toxin instead
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		+	I'll work first with the abstractions of the concept, maybe figure out how to simulate it, and then figure out the actual biological parts that would help with constructing it.

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	2) What if we had 20 strains of knockout E. coli and each one could not make one amino acid or nucleotide? Then as the cells got near each other, they might be able to absorb the missing metabolite and grow faster than normal due to limited nutrient agar? As cells congregated, they would make more of each others missing metabolite and the largest, most diverse mass of cells would grow the quickest?		2) What if we had 20 strains of knockout E. coli and each one could not make one amino acid or nucleotide? Then as the cells got near each other, they might be able to absorb the missing metabolite and grow faster than normal due to limited nutrient agar? As cells congregated, they would make more of each others missing metabolite and the largest, most diverse mass of cells would grow the quickest?
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		+	Discussed the elongation papers (Goksor, Sturgeon, Gustaffsson) and Danchin. Dr. Campbell suggested it may be best at this point to pick one or two topics to hone in on and try to formulate a proposal about it for after spring break. I'll work on the noise threshold device and elongation for my proposals.
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		+	I finished a proposal for the noise tuner device, and I started the introduction of an elongation proposal outline, but didn't get very far; I'm still not sure (and neither is Dr. C) what to do with noise and elongation. I did note an idea about making chains that act as bacterial nerves and send an impulse down the chain of connected cells. That does not have a strong noise component, although it would be very fun to do.

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 Don't know.
 He suggested I read the aging articles for next week.
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 We talked about this and ppGpp in meeting. Sigma factor competitive binding could have a strong and useful noise component. Random number generator is also a viable idea. Perhaps using sigma factors with this idea, having competitive binding between two reporters as a binary system. Dr. C suggested in a binary number system, cells could be run through a flow cytometer.
 One of the oscillatory system articles I read mentioned superconducting junctions - which on the surface sounds interesting and perhaps something cells could do. I'll look into it.
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